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pauln
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Posted: Sat May 10th, 2008 04:56 am | 1st Post |
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I successfully replaced the bad stock TPS in my '85 1200 LTD with one from a Honda car using Oregonwinger's instructions. I documented the process in a pdf that you can download at http://www.box.net/shared/defb78dogw .
Hope it proves helpful 
Last edited on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 09:10 pm by pauln
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Snorebaby
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Posted: Sun May 11th, 2008 01:03 am | 2nd Post |
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Thanks pauln!!! I have it downloaded and saved to my Wing Tech Files.
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pauln
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Posted: Sat May 24th, 2008 06:31 am | 3rd Post |
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I updated the original pdf with some more modifications I did and reposted it at box.net (750KB):
http://www.box.net/shared/defb78dogwLast edited on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 09:11 pm by pauln
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Posted: Fri May 30th, 2008 08:54 pm | 4th Post |
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Anyone having trouble reaching this website but me?
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pauln
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Posted: Sat May 31st, 2008 01:47 am | 5th Post |
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The box.net link works fine for me, but I also posted it at http://tinyurl.com/3ph5f3
If for some reason that link does not work, let me know and I will try another location. I can't attach it to the post because the pdf is too large (.8 MB).
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Oregonwinger
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Posted: Sat May 31st, 2008 04:05 am | 6th Post |
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Works for me. Excellent job, Paul
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pauln
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Posted: Wed Jun 4th, 2008 12:18 am | 7th Post |
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| I had a minor problem with the TPS and updated the instruction pdf with what I did to fix it. The new link (I also updated the links in the replies above this one) is http://www.box.net/shared/defb78dogw
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Oregonwinger
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Posted: Wed Jun 4th, 2008 05:46 am | 8th Post |
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I d-loaded the new pdf, Paul, and it looks excellent. Again, very well done. Makes me almost wish I had another one to play with. Those are indeed quite a machine. I think I'd go for a SEi this time, as I like the color combo. Doesn't show dust very much. That dark red I have now, is absolutely terrible for showing everything. Constantly cleaning it.
Did you see what that LTD went for on Ebay? And with low miles, I bet it has issues, related to sitting idle. 6500.00!! Wish I had a few dozen. I'd post the link, but it's a mile long, and I don't know tiny url. Should learn, I guess. Too lazy, eh???!! lol I don't see a link insertion tool on this "modern" Wow. Even old RA antique software forum has that feature.
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Oregonwinger
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Posted: Wed Jun 4th, 2008 05:48 am | 9th Post |
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Last edited on Wed Jun 4th, 2008 05:49 am by Oregonwinger
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pauln
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Posted: Wed Jun 4th, 2008 02:02 pm | 10th Post |
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Oregonwinger wrote: I d-loaded the new pdf, Paul, and it looks excellent. Again, very well done. Makes me almost wish I had another one to play with. Those are indeed quite a machine. I think I'd go for a SEi this time, as I like the color combo. Doesn't show dust very much. That dark red I have now, is absolutely terrible for showing everything. Constantly cleaning it.
Did you see what that LTD went for on Ebay? And with low miles, I bet it has issues, related to sitting idle. 6500.00!! Wish I had a few dozen. I'd post the link, but it's a mile long, and I don't know tiny url. Should learn, I guess. Too lazy, eh???!! lol I don't see a link insertion tool on this "modern" Wow. Even old RA antique software forum has that feature.
Bob, thanks. I am going to cut the back off the original TPS sometime and see if it would be possible to mate the guts of one of the car TPSs to the body of the original TPS. That would make it a direct-replacement without much monkeying around.
The color is the one thing I really don't like about the LTD. It is not so much the gold color, but rather the dark panels. Makes me think of a Ford Country Squire Wagon  . I talked to an autobody friend about getting it repainted, but it would take a lot of work in prep to get it ready to paint. If the paint was degraded on it, I would consider it, but it still shines up pretty much like new. I always wanted a white wing - I am going to wait to see what comes out for 2009 and may eventually get a 2008 or 2009 (maybe even a 2010). No rush, though - as long as we can keep substituting parts for the LTD/SEis, they do the job nicely.
The LTD you talk about is at http://tinyurl.com/5q38dd
Tinyurl is very easy to use - just go to http://www.tinyurl.com and paste the link in the link area and click the button and it spits out the shortened url. Although, after I made the link it did not take me directly to the page, but rather to a Tinyurl page with another link to the ebay page.
There are any number of these "Link Shortener" services out there. I tried http://www.urlot.com for example and it made http://www.urlot.com/1sjlzo which DOES go directly to the ebay page. The disadvantage with using any of them is that if the outfit ever goes down (or worse) out of business, then your links won't work anymore.
I think I would add a few more thousand $ and move ahead at least 10 years rather than buy something that old (wait - what am I talking about - I have one  !). To each his or her own, I guess.
This software will auto-convert what you type to a link if it is in the correct form. There is also an Insert Link button on the toolbar to the left of the {} button.
Take care 
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Posted: Wed Jun 4th, 2008 03:01 pm | 11th Post |
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Thanks Paulin, great job! Mine also has that flat spot just off idle, always thought it was normal for the bike and I have also got used to it. I might look into this.
Cheers, Geoff
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Posted: Wed Jun 4th, 2008 03:27 pm | 12th Post |
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Thanks Paul. This is a very descriptive article on how to replace the impossible to find TPS on the injected 1200 with one from a common Honda car. Great detail and well written.
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pauln
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Posted: Wed Jun 4th, 2008 05:51 pm | 13th Post |
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Goldwinger1984 wrote: Thanks Paul. This is a very descriptive article on how to replace the impossible to find TPS on the injected 1200 with one from a common Honda car. Great detail and well written.
Vic
Vic,
Thanks for the nice words .
We need to remember, however, that Bob Anderson is the one who originally figured this out and made it work. All I did was to follow his instructions and make a write-up as I did it.
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Goldwinger1984
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Posted: Wed Jun 4th, 2008 10:40 pm | 14th Post |
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I wouldn't dare forget Bob Anderson (Oregonwinger) as he is one of the sharpest minds when it comes to the fuel injected GL1200. Thanks Bob.
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Posted: Wed Jun 4th, 2008 11:02 pm | 15th Post |
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| This is a good thread, well done guys. It belongs in the Reference Forum with the other good stuff, I'll move it there now.
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Posted: Thu Jun 5th, 2008 07:31 pm | 16th Post |
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Hey pauln  You have created a miracle on this Forum 
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Posted: Wed Jun 18th, 2008 02:29 pm | 17th Post |
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| It is great to see some one out there still working with the 85 LTD. I just got one recently and I am really enjoying it. I have found a car fuel filter to work temporarily while flushing out the fuel system it was only $14 instead of Honda's $43
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pauln
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Posted: Thu Jun 19th, 2008 04:09 pm | 18th Post |
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| Some members have run into trouble trying to download the TPS instructions from my box.net link. To help out, Steve Saunders uploaded the pdf (it is inside a zip file) to this site at http://www.goldwingfacts.com/Gifs/TPSreplacement.zip
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Posted: Thu Jul 3rd, 2008 08:35 pm | 19th Post |
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I ran into problems with my TPS conversion. The bike started missing and got worse and worse until it was almost unrideable unless you would go over half throttle. I took it apart and found that the TPS had developed radial play that was making the voltage go crazy.
The problem is not with the concept or the installation, but rather with fleabay junk. I don't know if I just got a bad TPS or they are all marginal, but if you are thinking about doing the conversion, I would try to source the TPS from somewhere else. The problem is that as far as I know Honda only sells the TPS attached to the throttle body and charges big bucks for the assembly. It is possible, however, that there are other quality replacements being sold through auto parts stores or elsewhere. Of course, another possibility is to get a used one at a wrecking yard. If anyone finds a good source for these TPSs, please post here. I am not going to redo my pdf instruction sheet, so please keep in mind that ebay may not be a good place to get the TPS from.
Instead of trying to find another Honda car TPS, I decided to try something else. There was a post on the gl1200goldwings forum (http://www.gl1200goldwings.com/index.php) by someone who found an industrial rotary sensor that he thought would work from Mouser Electronics (http://www.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?qs=y%252bTtbMcwHOmiMUGRCazcYg%3d%3d ). I had originally thought of using that, but went with the Honda car TPS when I found you could get them on ebay. I went back and ordered one of the Mouser ones and its connector and made it work. It took a LOT of work to get it to fit, but I got it done yesterday and rode about 50 miles and so far, it works perfectly  . I took pictures of this install as well and will write up a pdf document for it when I get a chance. I attached a picture of the Mouser installed on my LTD. It is made in the USA and seems to be very high quality.
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Posted: Sun Jul 20th, 2008 08:59 pm | 20th Post |
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More info about using the BEI-Duncan TPS instead of one for a Honda car:
I posted prior to this that the ebay Honda car TPS I used for the conversion self-destructed - it developed radial play at the shaft and the resistance values when crazy. The problem was NOT with the concept or the installation, but rather with the ebay junk I got. Perhaps it was just a bad TPS or else they are all marginal, I can't tell. If you do that conversion, I would suggest you try to get a high quality TPS. The problem with that is as far as I know, Honda only sells the TPS for the cars as part of the throttle body - which means big bucks. You might want to try a salvage yard for a good used one - that is what Bob Anderson did in his original documentation a few years ago.
What I decided to do instead was revisit a thread started by Jim Roney over at the gl1200goldwings board at http://www.gl1200goldwings.com/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=172
He gave very specific details about the BEI-Duncan TPS, but he never followed up as to if he made it work or not. I bought one and the connector and DID make it work. It took a lot more work than using the Honda car one, but so far it is working absolutely flawlessly. I will make another PDF instruction sheet for installing the BEI-Duncan when I get some time (I took pictures). In the meantime, attached are a few of the pics I took. If anyone is interested in doing the BEI-Duncan conversion immediately, PM me and I can help you out.
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